 On this Friday Buckeye Talk, Stephen Means, Stefan Krajisnik and Andrew Gillis are breaking down the matchup between the Ohio State Buckeyes and the Notre Dame Fighting Irish.
This one is Ohio State’s defense vs. Notre Dame’s offense
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Andrew (00:04.258)
think it’s just day. I don’t think we’re getting players because I’m looking at the.
Stefan Krajisnik (00:07.089)
Yeah, I was gonna say if it was just players we could even skip it, but if it’s day
Andrew (00:12.054)
I am seeing 715 coach day arrival interview at Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta International Airport. There’s nothing about players. There’s nothing about who we’re getting and where we’re getting them.
Stefan Krajisnik (00:21.228)
Yeah. Yeah, go and just get some video of day. Whenever like 10 TV or 10 May post video of that stuff, it does pretty well. Like when they get it right off the plane or show up somewhere.
Stephen Means (00:28.272)
Yep.
Andrew (00:30.978)
I don’t think I will be writing off of that just as a hint. Unless he said…
Stefan Krajisnik (00:32.825)
No, no, no, Unless he’s like, hey, this guy’s not playing, like, I wouldn’t worry about it.
Andrew (00:38.156)
Yeah, unless he’s like, hey, I hope we kill Lou Holt, but.
Stefan Krajisnik (00:41.561)
Yeah, I would say just probably get the whole thing on video. Just upload the whole thing to YouTube.
Andrew (00:45.454)
Yeah, that’s fine.
Stefan Krajisnik (00:50.993)
Appreciate you doing that.
Stephen Means (00:57.947)
Welcome back to Buckeye Talk. I’m Stephen Means, that’s the Fonk Christ, Nick and that’s Andrew Gillis. This is the last pod we’re going to do in our homes of the season. We’re recording this pod on Thursday. You’re listening to this on Friday, depending on what time you start listening to the podcast in the morning. We’re all going to be in the air headed to Atlanta. This is part two of our breakdown of Ohio State against Notre Dame in the National Championship game. did Ohio State’s offense versus Notre Dame’s defense on Thursday. Today it’s Notre Dame’s offense against Ohio State’s defense.
Notre Dame’s offense, 37 points per game. They actually average more points than Ohio State does. That’s because Ohio State scored 28 points against Texas. Before that game, they were averaging more than Notre Dame, but still. Six nationally in points per game. 6.36 yards per play. That’s 22nd nationally. 7.1 passing yards per attempt. That’s tied for 79th nationally with five different teams. 5.83 rushing yards per attempt. That’s fourth nationally. Meanwhile.
Stefan trivia question, it’s been a while. Ohio State ranks number one in the Big Ten in all but one of these four raw stats. Points per game, yards per play, passing yards allowed per attempt, and rushing yards allowed per attempt. Which one don’t they lead the Big Ten in? And who is ahead of them?
Stefan Krajisnik (02:25.328)
that’s a tough question. I will say…
Stephen Means (02:26.821)
I know.
Andrew (02:28.458)
is pass repeat that one more time it was passed
Stephen Means (02:30.671)
Points, yards, passing, rushing.
Stefan Krajisnik (02:36.591)
I’ll say rushing defense.
Stephen Means (02:39.717)
He’s going with the rushing as his answer. Mr. Gillis, are you gonna join him in saying rushing?
Andrew (02:49.151)
No, I’m gonna say passing.
Stephen Means (02:52.441)
Ooh, you went with passing. And points per game, they’re first in the Big Ten, 12.2 points allowed per game. They’re also first nationally. And yards allowed per play, 4.12, that’s first in the Big Ten. It’s also first nationally. And passing yards per attempt, 5.9, that’s tied for six nationally with Miami of Ohio. Go matchin’, baby. And rushing yards allowed per attempt.
Andrew (03:16.6)
Boo.
Stephen Means (03:21.371)
2.68 yards, that’s second nationally, but it’s first in the Big 10. And they’re second in the Big 10 in passing yards allowed per attempt. Just to find it has nothing to do with this game, because now like.
Andrew (03:32.32)
Wait, so, okay, so there’s second in passing yards. God. So is it Penn State?
Stephen Means (03:36.227)
In the big time, yes. Don’t think too hard into it.
Stephen Means (03:42.521)
No, no. In the Big Ten? No, it’s Indiana.
Andrew (03:42.786)
This number one?
Yeah. yeah. All right.
Stephen Means (03:48.847)
Yeah, remember how they didn’t play anybody all year and so they were able to just rack up numbers, but their playoff team they did what they were supposed to do. They won their games and then they lost to the two teams playing in the national championship game. OK, here’s what I want to do today.
Stefan, I want you to be Notre Dame’s offensive coordinator today. And then Andrew’s going to be Notre Dame’s offensive coordinator, and then I’m going to be Notre Dame’s offensive coordinator. You are preparing to play a team that is first or second in every raw stack category defensively. And they’re first or second in all but one raw stack category nationally. And they’re tied for six in the one that they’re not first or second in. You have an offense,
that’s averaging 37 points per game, but then the rest of your stats are very much, if you’ve never seen Notre Dame play football before, you’re going, how the heck is this team averaging 37 points per game? Seriously, it doesn’t make sense. The yards, passing and rushing don’t make sense when you go, 37 points per game, when you’re running the way they’re running. I want you to tell me your game plan for attacking Ohio State. Tell me what…
The score is, in terms of what number you need to get to to feel like you can win this game, and how you got there. The floor, Mr. Krasnick, with your cotton ball beanie on, is yours.
Stefan Krajisnik (05:13.937)
think if you’re Notre Dame, the number you’re saying is probably 24 and then you can kind of say give or take like four points. You want to be in that 20 to 28 range, I think, to be like, okay, we did enough against this Ohio State defense to give ourselves a chance. And I think the way you get there is you do what you’ve done best all year. You run the ball, you run the ball efficiently, and if nothing else,
You got a couple of first downs and you give yourself a long drive, even if it ends in a pun. You play a little bit of that keep away game that we saw, you know, the Northwestern. So the world do early in the season against Ohio state. And once you can get that established to some extent and have a little bit of success running the ball. I think that’s where on second and manageable. On third and shorts, you start getting into your bag a little bit.
And in a sense of what can we do to throw Ohio State off? Because I think even if it’s like second and four and you go out and just throw a traditional, you know, drop back and pass that it’s not like Ohio State is unprepared for any possible passing play. I think you got to be creative in the way you do it though. I think there might be some.
You know, like, I don’t know, like flea flicker, guess, would be the term you’d want to use there. Like quick screens, double reverse. Like when you get in those manageable situations, those favorable situations, second and medium, third and short, especially if it’s in four down territory, you know, like near midfield, things of that nature. That’s when you got to get into your bag a little bit. Now, a lot of this, a lot of this depends on you having success running the ball early.
You have to, Notre Dame has to establish some form of a running game. I don’t think they can do the Ohio state method of establish a pass and have it open to run for you. I just don’t think they can have that much success routinely throwing the ball against this team to do that. I think Notre Dame has to come out, do your thing, get Jeremiah Love going, get Riley Leonard going in the run game, get your other two running backs going in this run game and put yourself in favorable spots where the ball is in your hands.
Stefan Krajisnik (07:35.163)
The Ohio State defense is on the field longer than they’d like to be. The Ohio State offense is off the field and then boom, take your shot, do something creative, take a chance and try to take advantage of getting these players maybe leaning a little bit on trying to stop that run game. Maybe that’s a strategy that doesn’t work because this Ohio State team is really good and there’s been a lot of different strategies that just have not worked against this team, especially in the playoff. Tennessee, Oregon, Texas, they’ve all tried to do different things and sometimes it just doesn’t work because the other team is really good.
But if Notre Dame is going to win this game, they have to succeed at playing their game. I don’t think that they can come in and do something completely different. Like we talked about their defense. Can they come in and, and play some more zone than, than usual? Can like, I don’t think they can do things offensively. That’s completely different from what they’ve been doing. So I think you have to, you have to succeed in what you do. So I’m coming in, I’m saying we’re running the ball. Sorry, excuse me. We’re running the ball.
We’re getting our opportunities to try to establish a run and then we’ll take our chances. Whether, you know, I think it should be in creative ways more often, not more often than not, but you should definitely utilize creative ways in those favorable situations. You have to put yourself in a spot where you can get creative and Ohio state has to think about multiple things because for the most part, they’re fairly, I don’t want to say one dimensional offense, but they lean on one aspect way more than they lean on the other. Right. So it.
Anytime you can put yourself in those favorable situations where Ohio State has to think about multiple things, you’ve succeeded. And I think that comes from them establishing the run earlier.
Stephen Means (09:09.115)
establishing the run as a team who is fourth nationally in yards per 10. Not bad. I think I agree. Andrew, you are now the offensive coordinator. You don’t have a beanie on your head from the Cotton Bowl. You don’t. You’re not in solidarity with Stefan at all. He could, you could be in solidarity and put on his Cotton Bowl beanie, but he’s chosen not to do so. He’s going to put on a random dad cap that says, hail.
Stefan Krajisnik (09:25.659)
He could. He could.
Stephen Means (09:38.703)
to the victors when an Ohio State podcast. No, listen, the the narrative’s already written.
Andrew (09:40.856)
No, well, hang on, hang on. I want it clear to the Buckeye Talk listeners that it does not say hail to the victors. It is about the NFL and my Washington commanders. It is not about Michigan. Be clear here. I’m not trying to get hate mail.
Stephen Means (09:48.091)
The narrative’s The narrative’s
No, no, no, no, the narrative’s a witness already. I’ve already said what I said. You are now the offensive coordinator. What is your points that you feel like is, what’s the goal? What’s the threshold? And how do you go about getting that?
Andrew (10:11.662)
Well, I think they should run five wide and throw the ball. No. This to me is very, very basic. You have to run the ball effectively or else you’re pretty well cooked. Notre Dame, think just as importantly, can’t turn the ball over. That is really important. It’s, know, football can get very confusing sometimes.
And we talk about all these, the, X receiver, the Z receiver, the Y receiver, you know, we talk about various coverages or, you know, cloud coverages or mixing matching. And, know, it’s like a cover three match or, you know, different blocking schemes at what’s the difference between zone and duo and all these other different things. And it’s like, sometimes the game is just really simple and Notre Dame’s offensive game plan has to come down to. We have to be more physical than Notre or than Ohio state.
We have to run the ball. We have to protect the ball and we have to move the ball down the field throughout the game at a pace that is going to allow us to do those things. cannot give Ohio State those chances. We cannot let Ohio State have, you know, hey, a quick three and out where they’re just taking the field again, because I don’t know if this defense is going to hold up.
And look, look, we talked all about this defense for Notre Dame the other day for this pod. And maybe we undersold it. Just it’s a possibility that we undersold it. And this defense plays really well for, you know, a half or they play really well for most of the game. I don’t think anybody’s going to say that they’re going to shut down this Ohio state offense completely. Like Ohio state’s going to get theirs. So
You have to slow this game down because I have made, made this point on that pod. I think actually this is where Notre Dame is in the most trouble, not on when they’re on defense because their defense is good. And if Ohio state scores, which they’re gonna do, you know, you can kind of just say, okay, you know, we can, we can hang with them to an extent. If this game hits 30, Notre Dame is not going to win unless they have
Andrew (12:31.79)
special teams or defensive scores or like a play where Will Howard throws a pick like the Michigan game at his own 10 yard line, right? Like, though, like that scenario is not going to happen. I would be very surprised if Notre Dame hangs 30, even 28, 27 on Ohio State without the help of its special teams, without the help of its defense. So how do you counteract that? What do you do? I think you run straight at them. I don’t think you get fancy.
I don’t think you say, you know, hey, let’s, you know, we’re going to run a lot of motions. They’re going to try jet sweeps and try to spread them out and, really just try to, you know, get our guys in motion. No, I, I am lining up with two tight ends. I’m in 12 personnel, the whole game. And I am saying, we are going to try to be more physical than you. And I think that’s the way you have to win. It’s
Not only I think with the defense, is an argument of like, well, you got to the national championship game with this defense. You might want to stick with it, even if we think they may have the ability to change it up a little bit or at least to diversify. Like the answer is not they’re going to run man coverage 100 % of the time and they’re going to run zone coverage 100 % of the time. They’re going to mix it up. But with this, with this offense, I mean, Riley Leonard, go look at his numbers this year. He’s not.
throwing it all over the yard. Not only are you not going to change it up, I don’t think you can. So if I’m Notre Dame, I am just saying Jeremiah Love three yards in a cloud of dust is what wins this game. Judarian Price four yards in a cloud of dust is what wins this game. And every once in a while, Riley Leonard keeping it and hitting the edge for five when you catch Jack Sawyer, JT Tumaloa or whoever’s coming off the edge napping and you can break it outside. That’s how you win the game. I don’t
think there’s anything fancy to it. There’s not going to be anything glamorous to it. This is a Ford pickup truck offense compared to Ohio State, right? This is a let’s haul some plywood and let’s try to move the ball down the field because Notre Dame is not flashy and it’s pretty simple. I think the game plan is very, very, very simple when you talk about this Notre Dame offense.
Stephen Means (14:52.207)
So Stefan, you’ve heard Andrew’s pitch for how they go about it. How many points did you say, Andrew?
Andrew (14:59.63)
How many points? said, I don’t think they’re getting 30. So I think you probably want to be at 24. You can be 24 and you’re like, you know what, we get a few turnovers, we got a shot.
Stephen Means (15:05.55)
Okay.
Stephen Means (15:09.989)
Okay, Stefan you’ve heard Andrews Andrew you’ve heard Stefan’s I’m not gonna give mine yet This this section of the pod is about YouTube. It’s all about you, too Where do you guys? Feel like you agree and where do you guys feel like you disagree in terms of what Ohio what Notre Dame’s? Game plan should be if you were the OC
Andrew (15:24.908)
Deserve it always.
Andrew (15:35.128)
So one of the things that I disagree, and forgive me if I’m wrong, but I believe Stefan said, basically trick plays and try to catch him napping every once in a while and try to sprinkle some unique stuff in there, to work in some things that if you catch him napping, it’s a 50 yard gain. Do I have that correct? You mentioned the reverse pass or the flea flicker or whatever.
Stefan Krajisnik (16:01.809)
Yeah, yeah, give or take. I said in favorable situations, like you’re not doing that on first and 10. I do it on like, you know, second and three.
Andrew (16:06.638)
No, of course not. Yeah, I’m not doing that at all. If I’m Notre Dame, I am not risking a play going wrong because you have to win the turnover battle if you’re Notre Dame. I think what their bread and butter is is we’re going to run the ball straight at them because we have a three headed monster in the backfield. And that’s Judarian Price, Jeremiah Love, and Riley Leonard.
And Riley Leonard is a weapon in the run game. And I think we have seen that in bits and pieces. I think specifically the Georgia game was where you saw him really kind of take over a game. like Notre Dame’s running backs have not been crazy efficient in the playoffs, but Riley Leonard, when he breaks contain, he’s a problem to try and deal with because you have a quarterback that just gives you
a different element and he changes the math. Sonny Stiles talked about that earlier in the week at the Woody this, you know, where he’s like, you know, you, when you have a quarterback like this, it, makes it more difficult on your defense. You have to account for different things. You have plus one in the backfield, which is basically just them saying, you know, it’s not like you’re going 11 on 10, you’re going 11 on 11 at that point. So I am not getting too fancy with this. I, I don’t think you need to, if you’re Notre Dame, I think
You can try to get fancy on special teams with some fake punts or you can do the runoff thing or whatever you want to do on special teams, whatever you want to do defensively to try and cause turnovers. I just think if you’re Notre Dame, simple might be better. Like the kiss method might be better for this game because I think if you keep it simple and keep it simple, stupid, and you just run the ball and you try to turn the clock, that is your path to victory. I don’t know if
getting in a track meet is your best case scenario. And I’m not saying that’s what Stefan said, but I don’t know. I think this game should be peanut butter and jelly basic for Notre Dame. And I think that’s how you have to try to win.
Stefan Krajisnik (18:15.619)
I strongly disagree with part of what you just said. Maybe all of what you just said. I thought we were on the same page for a lot of it with Notre Dame establishing the run. They like how many, like how many rushing yards you think they can have in this game? The most Ohio state’s given up is 172 against Michigan this season. So how like reasonably reasonably, what do you think like best, best possible like rushing amount total Notre Dame can have with this game.
Andrew (18:37.035)
One year.
Stefan Krajisnik (18:44.197)
that obviously includes like the game being close obviously like if they’re down big they’re gonna throw it like close game they’re running it like what’s the most you think they can get
Andrew (18:53.614)
Probably 150 to 175 and then you hope Leonard can get you 150-ish through the air and you’re over 300 yards for the game.
Stefan Krajisnik (19:03.715)
If that’s, if that’s the case, 150 to 175 rushing yards, you don’t think that there’s going to have to be some kind of big play like passing play in there somewhere for them to win this game.
Andrew (19:17.098)
Of course there is, yeah, of course there’s going to have to be big passing plays, but I’m not…
Stefan Krajisnik (19:23.601)
I guess my point is like at some point they’re going to have to do something. You’re going to have to get creative and take some kind of risk. This defense is too good to just say we’re just going to run three yards, four yards at a time, pass it, you know, four or five, six yards. I get the easy complete. Like at some point when you’re a 10 point underdog, the well, what if this trick play goes wrong? I think that has to go out the window. Like we made fun of Chip Kelly when he said that. And I don’t want to say we made fun of Chip Kelly, but we made fun
Andrew (19:23.63)
That’s how I put it.
Stephen Means (19:48.539)
No, no, no, we made fun of Chip Kelly.
Stefan Krajisnik (19:52.057)
Okay, we’ve had fun at Chip Kelly earlier this year when he’s when he said that about trick plays, but like, Ohio State’s a team where kind of like how Jim Knowles said at the start of year, like, you don’t want to blitz a ton and leave Denzel on an island for no reason where if you just stayed back, you were going to get a stop anyways. Like you’d like Chip Kelly’s in a spot where the way this offense is playing right now, he doesn’t need to run a trick play because you can just run four verts. You’re probably one of those guys is going to get open if it’s man coverage like
Notre Dame, I don’t think is in that boat. Like it doesn’t have to be a trick play and like your punter throws a 20 yard pass down the field. Like it doesn’t have to get crazy, but I’m just being like, double reverse flea flicker. Like those aren’t like ridiculous trick plays. Like those aren’t, that’s not, that’s not Ben Johnson in his bag. Like having Ray Leonard fake trip, but like the, if, if Notre Dame has that mantra of what if something goes wrong there, they might as well not show up to Atlanta if they’re going to do that.
Andrew (20:34.048)
Well, I think what I think.
Right.
Andrew (20:48.056)
But I think that there’s a difference between, you know, let’s get creative, let’s get funky, and let’s take our shots when we see them. And like, I think one of the things that Notre Dame did against Penn State, they had a really nice wheel route to Aneas Williams, who’s like their third down back. And I think that is probably where you attack Ohio State, right? You find yourself in a second and four, and second and four, you’re at midfield.
And it’s like, okay, well, we’re going for this. And this is one of the things where I think for all the Freeman Tressel comps, I Freeman is certainly more aggressive than Tressel was in those types of situations, the third and short, the fourth and short type of plays. So it’s like, think Notre Dame, that’s where you’re aggressive. It’s not, you hey, we’re going to try, we’re going to empty the bag or empty the playbook. It’s we are going to take our shots down the field when we see fit. We’re going to try and get Mitchell Evans, their tight end.
in open space, you’re going to try and get the running backs out of the backfield and try to get them on a mismatch, maybe with a linebacker where you have like, you know, Jeremiah Love in the flat or something like that. And then I think where you’re aggressive though, where you’re aggressive, I think is third and short, fourth and short. Like Notre Dame is not like, unless you’re at like your own 25 yard line, Notre Dame should not be punting on fourth and one. If Notre Dame gets to fourth and one and you’re any, if you’re in the middle 10, you know, or the middle 20, guess from your minus 40 to their plus 40.
Stefan Krajisnik (21:52.369)
But that’s all like, yes, I agree with all this.
Andrew (22:14.306)
They should be going for it. That to me is the aggressive side of Notre Dame. hey, we’re going to try this different play or we’re going to try to scheme up this where roll out, screen pass back to the left that we haven’t shown all year. That to me is not where you should be aggressive. Where you should be aggressive is Ohio State can’t let us get 10 yards and four downs, not three. That’s the aggressive part of Notre Dame where I think they can really cause some problems for Ohio State.
Stefan Krajisnik (22:41.849)
I don’t disagree with that, but like, you know, like I’m not saying Nordame has to run it 55 times and then throw like three trick plays like, like wheel routes, slants, post routes. Like that’s this all like, that’s all basic gameplay. Like they’re going to do that. Like wheel routes, like they’re going to do that. Like I understand all that. But as, as some point, they’re going to have to throw some kind of a haymaker. I don’t think converting a fourth and one like Ohio State is going to sit there and like, all right, like we’ll force you to punt it next time. Or force you to kick the field goal. Like next time I get another set of downs.
At some point there, I don’t think Notre Dame wins this game. If at some point there’s not something creative that gets you 40, 50 yards. I don’t think whether it’s passing or running, they’re not going to have many 17 play drives against this defense. just don’t, you might get one. I don’t know how many times I trust the team to run 17 plays against Ohio state. And it just works every time.
and you’re getting a touchdown out of it. I don’t know if I trust that. They’re gonna need to have a drive at some point that goes like three plays, 75 yards. At some point.
Andrew (23:49.558)
Interesting. Yeah. And I think I said this the other day where it’s like, have to marry your defensive game plan with your offensive game plan. Like I think the defense definitely needs to help out the offense, right? You know, like think about how big a sack fumble would be for Notre Dame on their offense, right? If, if you sack, if you sack Howard and he fumbles a ball and you recover at Ohio State’s 20, now all of a sudden that challenge of, Hey, we have to, cause like Ohio State is, or excuse me, Notre Dame is just not that explosive offense that
Stefan Krajisnik (24:05.445)
yeah.
Andrew (24:18.104)
You like you said, like, look, three plays, 75 yards is a heck of a lot easier to imagine for Ohio state than it is for Notre Dame. Right. So I think those situations matter. think, you know, you need to find yourself in short fields. And one of the things that I saw some fans talking about it. So I went back and looked. Ohio state played a game 20 years ago where they were pretty significant underdogs in the national championship game against Miami and.
Stefan Krajisnik (24:23.537)
Correct, yes.
Andrew (24:47.382)
I’ve seen that comparison thrown out a little bit. One because of the talent that Miami had compared to Ohio State and that’s with all due respect to Ohio State, which had a bevy of NFL players. was just like that Miami team had like Clinton Portis is like a third string running back and like, yeah, exactly. No, Stefan or Steven, do you know Craig Krenzel’s passing line from that game?
Stefan Krajisnik (25:05.777)
It was an expensive roster.
Let’s just call it whatever it
Andrew (25:17.294)
Like, do you want to take a guess at what his passing line was at that game? Seven of 21 for 122 yards passing, no touchdowns and two picks. But I think what, you know, and you go back and look, the running game for Ohio State wasn’t any better. was 23 yards or 23 attempts, 47 yards and two touchdowns for Maurice Clare on the ground. And the reason I bring that up is because I think in a game like that, Ohio State was an 11 and half point underdog. So they were bigger underdogs than what Notre Dame is going to be.
Stephen Means (25:21.307)
I don’t know.
Andrew (25:47.16)
But in a game like that, two of Ohio State’s touchdowns came on short fields. And that I think is really where Notre Dame’s offense is going to need to find themselves in position for. don’t, like you said, I struggle to find three.
Stefan Krajisnik (26:02.865)
Steven wants you to be the Notre Dame offensive coordinator though. If you’re the offensive coordinator, you can’t go get an interception.
Andrew (26:07.374)
I know, I know. that’s the problem that I think Mike Denbrock is in. Yeah, I kind of, well, I mean, you’re at the right school for it. That’s kind of the problem that I think Mike Denbrock is finding himself in, where, you know, if you’re sitting there at your own 25 yard line for four straight drives, forget the score. Going 75 yards in this Ohio State defense is very, difficult. I am
Stefan Krajisnik (26:10.08)
Just Just pray.
Andrew (26:36.254)
struggling to think what they could do. mean, unless they just run the ball consistently, it’s a challenge to figure out how this team gets to 28, how this team gets to 31.
Stefan Krajisnik (26:49.553)
They’re gonna have to take advantage of the sudden, I think sudden change is what people call it, don’t know, for like momentum shifting, what it like, you’re right. The trick plays and stuff like that, the stuff that can’t go wrong, you can’t run that the first play after your defense just had a 17 play drive and now you’re sending your defense back out there. But like, if your defense gets a pick and they’re off the field in three plays, like you gotta take advantage of that and do the, know, that’s when you take your shot. So that’s what I mean by like,
Andrew (26:55.566)
Yeah.
Andrew (27:06.423)
right.
Stefan Krajisnik (27:17.893)
